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Clinton: Caucus States are Undemocratic, Southern States are Too Black, and Red States Don't Matter Anyways.

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Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has found a lot of ways to explain her string of losses to Sen. Barack Obama.

Caucus states, the former first lady says, are undemocratic and cater only to party activists. Southern states, like Louisiana, have "a very strong and very proud African-American electorate" naturally predisposed to favor a black candidate. And so-called "red" states like North Dakota, Idaho and Kansas — all of which Obama won on Super Tuesday — will never choose a Democrat in the general election anyway.

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{"commentId":1464002,"authorDomain":"Kiser"}

Jeez. I'm tired of these desperate, sore loser statements.

Cut us all some slack and shut up.

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Reply#1 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1464197,"authorDomain":"archangelrichard"}

1. It was a rant - "has found a lot of ways to explain her string of losses"

2. Caucuses favor those who don't work, (watch the exit polls, Hillary leads among those working people - incomes less than 50,000/year but they work and can take the time to vote but not to caucus). This year many did not even require you to be a democrat (sign up at the door) or even be of voting age (if you would be of age in November). There have been a LOT of articles seeded on this issue, starting before the Iowa caucuses (the deal was that for some states it's all they can afford, much cheaper than a primary) Most caucuses are decided by less than 1% of the registered Democrats being a majority in the caucus.

3. The deal with Red states has to do with the Electoral College - you only have so much money, don't waste it on states you won't win.

4. you forgot Florida and Michigan

5. 'Southern states too black' - actually that means (as many as 90% of Black voters) voting for a black candidate because he is black - in 1984 Jesse Jackson won Louisiana, the District of Columbia, South Carolina, Virginia and one of two separate contests in Mississippi. In 1988 he won Alabama, the District of Columbia, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Puerto Rico and Virginia) and four caucuses (Delaware, Michigan, South Carolina and Vermont). Gee, there wouldn't be any evidence of this would there?

Brandon, you may be a partisan Obama supporter, and it shows, but you need to take a step back and look objectively at what is being said. Opinions held with objective examination are prejudice. Look at who made this rant and what reason they had. Terms like 'sore loser' tell people that you don't have any logic, just a prejudice. That prejudiced opinion may be right and it may be wrong and it may just not be either; but the proof is not in numbers or other prejudiced people agreeing with you but in facts.

Facts are stubborn things.

What I want to see:

what are the results of only those states holding primaries that the democrats need to carry for a chancein the electoral college (blue states) by percentage?

then just the red states results by percentage

then the states that are neither

then the caucus states, separated by red and blue and neither

look at those numbers - then come back to this and report what the numbers say - show some proof, some thought behind it

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#1.1 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:50 PM EST
{"commentId":1464541,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}

What I want to see:

what are the results of only those states holding primaries that the democrats need to carry for a chancein the electoral college (blue states) by percentage?

then just the red states results by percentage

then the states that are neither

then the caucus states, separated by red and blue and neither

look at those numbers - then come back to this and report what the numbers say - show some proof, some thought behind it

So you want to make a point but want some one else to do the leg work? Pretty lazy if you ask me.

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    #1.2 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:34 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1464028,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}

    And the boys are picking on me!!!!

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    Reply#2 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:45 PM EST
    {"commentId":1464043,"authorDomain":"Kiser"}

    Ahem, boy. Singular.
    :P

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    #2.1 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:51 PM EST
    {"commentId":1464073,"authorDomain":"jaawalla"}

    Nah, just wait until Edwards endorses Obama. Then they'll gang up on her again.

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    #2.2 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:04 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1464490,"authorDomain":"cplmcl"}

    It's a little silly to pass Obama's popularity off to being black. A great many white people are voting for him -- numerically, they have to be. Black people aren't exactly a majority even in the south. I've heard men, from southern states with strong southern accents, calling in to CSPAN for a week or two to say they like Obama.

    Looks to me like he's picking up steam just like a locomotive. That should translate into the nomination. Given the nomination, he's likely to beat McCain. And that "should," and that "likely," presume election and polling place integrity.

    What am I thinking.

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    Reply#3 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:17 PM EST
    {"commentId":1464573,"authorDomain":"theottoshow"}

    So the 'right-wing conspiracy' and the more recent 'media conspiracy' aren't cutting it anymore.

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    Reply#4 - Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:48 PM EST
    {"commentId":1540800,"authorDomain":"maryland1101"}

    How preposterous is it to assert that after 12 straights wins by Obama, Clinton has momentum. That statement is the quintessential embodiment of all that is ludicrous.

    Hillary Clinton has done more to cement her title as polarizing. It would behoove her and her campaign to consider the long lasting affect that her actions will have on the future of the Democratic Party. I am 26 years old. 2007 marks the first time that I have been ecstatically engaged in my civic duty. I am longing to vote in November. However, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, on the back of the super delegates, I will boycott the November election. Moreover, I will be registering as an independent, as this would indicate that the Democratic Party no longer is the party of the people.

    Hilary Clinton is going to undermine the integrity of the Democratic Party.

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      Reply#5 - Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:35 PM EST
      {"commentId":1541263,"authorDomain":"cplmcl"}

      I've never understood boycotting an election. It's as if the fact that your vote is invisible could possibly do anything for you, your party, your cause, or anything.

      I just don't get it.

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        #5.1 - Tue Mar 4, 2008 9:59 PM EST
        {"commentId":1541564,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}
        I've never understood boycotting an election. It's as if the fact that your vote is invisible could possibly do anything for you, your party, your cause, or anything.

        Yeah, it just lets the status quo win.

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        #5.2 - Tue Mar 4, 2008 11:32 PM EST
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        {"commentId":1864469,"authorDomain":"info-159"}

        How About Barack Obama cheated in the Caucus States. It's a shorter reason, and it's true.

        www.CaucusCheating.com
        www.Hillary-Wins.com
        www.Florida-Michigan.com

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